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Date: 2002-01 atari800xl.org comp.sys.atari.8bit
ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)  
 
1.  Roy G Biv  
 More options Jan 1 2002, 8:31 pm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: Roy G Biv <eras@Atascii.Island> -
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:30:59 -0500
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2002 8:30 pm
Subject: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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   On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 at 13:07:34 GMT, "Frank Rachel" (frank-rachel
at home dot com) scribbled:
->I can easily rename, but just curious, what DOS's wouldn't recognize
->the "_". The ATR's are used by emulators, which typically exist for
->modern OS's..

   In the heyday of the 8-bits, back when people were using real
hardware (not emulation), I don't think any red-blooded Atarian
would've used any punctuation symbols in filenames -- even if some
offbeat or relatively unusual Atari 8-bit Dos program would've sup-
ported it.  That's because ADOS 2.0 (i.e., Atari Company's Dos) and
its main compatibles (including ADOS 2.5) didn't support punctuation
marks in filenames.  Using punctuation in filenames would've made
such files incompatible with the overwhelming majority of other Atari
8-bitters as well as almost all of their software and programming
and all the situations in which Atari programs and files were used,
including BBSes.

   Doing so now sounds like a recipe for disaster.  But by all means,
go ahead and do it!  The way most people learn is by experience, and
you'll enjoy the experience and all the extra time and effort at some
point in the future when some Atari program you're running by emula-
ation refuses to recognize illegal filenames and you're forced to fix
dozens or hundreds of filenames by some roundabout method!  That'll
be fun, for sure!  <grin>
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2.  Jerry Cornelius  
 More options Jan 1 2002, 11:43 pm
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From: "Jerry Cornelius" <j@yahoo.com> -
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:43:22 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2002 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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"Roy G Biv" <eras@Atascii.Island> wrote in message
...

>    On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 at 13:07:34 GMT, "Frank Rachel" (frank-rachel
> at home dot com) scribbled:
> ->I can easily rename, but just curious, what DOS's wouldn't recognize
> ->the "_". The ATR's are used by emulators, which typically exist for
> ->modern OS's..

>    Doing so now sounds like a recipe for disaster.  But by all means,
> go ahead and do it!  The way most people learn is by experience, and
> you'll enjoy the experience and all the extra time and effort at some
> point in the future when some Atari program you're running by emula-
> ation refuses to recognize illegal filenames and you're forced to fix
> dozens or hundreds of filenames by some roundabout method!  That'll
> be fun, for sure!  <grin>

Which is all well and good except for the minor fact that nobody was talking
about renaming Atari DOS files, but rather the filenames of the ATR images
that contain Atari files.

I could be a bit behind the times, but I don't know of any Atari 8-bit
program that uses ATR images.  DCM files, on the other hand, would cause
some problems.


 
 
3.  Daniel Miller  
 More options Jan 2 2002, 7:24 am
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From: dac@netscape.net (Daniel Miller) -
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:09:57 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2002 7:09 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:43:22 GMT, "Jerry Cornelius" <j@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Which is all well and good except for the minor fact that nobody was talking
>about renaming Atari DOS files, but rather the filenames of the ATR images
>that contain Atari files.

Perhaps one would want to download an ATR to his Atari then write it
to an actual floppy disk. A file is a file. An ATR image is a file.

>I could be a bit behind the times, but I don't know of any Atari 8-bit
>program that uses ATR images.  DCM files, on the other hand, would cause
>some problems.

Ken Siders' great XFormer of course! It also handles DCM files.

 
 
4.  Ron Hamilton  
 More options Jan 4 2002, 8:10 am
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From: "Ron Hamilton" <oldatar@atariland.com> -
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:10:33 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 4 2002 8:10 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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Darek did the XFormer; Ken produced the AtrUtil image manager. My copy of
Ver 1.13 reports an error attempting to load a .DCM file. Do some versions
actually do that?

--
-Ron

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

"Daniel Miller" <dac@netscape.net> wrote in message

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5.  Daniel Miller  
 More options Jan 4 2002, 2:25 pm
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From: dac@netscape.net (Daniel Miller) -
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:10:40 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 4 2002 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:10:33 GMT, "Ron Hamilton"

<oldatar@atariland.com> wrote:
>Darek did the XFormer; Ken produced the AtrUtil image manager. My copy of
>Ver 1.13 reports an error attempting to load a .DCM file. Do some versions
>actually do that?

Oops, I meant DiskFormer, not XFormer. Yes, I think DiskFormer handles
DCM files. You should be able to find the most recent of any of Ken's
programs at his page, below.



 
 
6.  Ron Hamilton  
 More options Jan 5 2002, 10:30 am
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From: "Ron Hamilton" <oldatar@atariland.com> -
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:30:43 GMT
Local: Sat, Jan 5 2002 10:30 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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Ver 1.13 of AtrUtil is the latest mentioned on Ken's page; has anyone had
success using it to open a DisCommed file?

--
-Ron

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

"Daniel Miller" <dac@netscape.net> wrote in message

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7.  Frank Rachel  
 More options Jan 2 2002, 3:10 am
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From: "Frank Rachel" <frank-rac@home.com> -
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:10:18 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2002 3:10 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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I think we're talking about different things here. The Atari never sees the
ATR image filename. It doesn't matter what the image is named. The Emulator
has to be able to understand the ATR filename. It then mounts that as an
Atari disk drive, and only shows the contents, which will be the original
names as the atari expects.

The only thing I can see what you said having an impact on was if someone
was going to run a BBS on an atari, and put up the ATR images for download.

"Roy G Biv" <eras@Atascii.Island> wrote in message
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8.  Fox-1  
 More options Jan 2 2002, 9:56 am
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From: "Fox-1" <DONT_USE_fo@home.nl> -
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:55:52 +0100
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2002 9:55 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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Frank Rachel wrote

: I think we're talking about different things here. The Atari never sees the
: ATR image filename. It doesn't matter what the image is named.

I think I mentioned this before, but you can convert/extract an ATR-image
directly on 8-bit Atari, so it DOES matter...

--

Grtx, Sysop Fox-1 / MNX            

"I hear that if you play the Windows XP CD backwards, you get a satanic
message"
"That's nothing. If you play it forward, it installs Windows XP"...


 
 
9.  Ron Hamilton  
 More options Jan 2 2002, 5:22 am
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From: "Ron Hamilton" <oldatar@atariland.com> -
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:22:01 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2002 5:22 am
Subject: Re: ATR filenames (was: It has begun...)
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A relatively easy, if time consuming, procedure for DiskTool or DiskMend...

--
-Ron

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

"Roy G Biv" <eras@Atascii.Island> wrote in message
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name that game  
 
1.  Jay  
 More options Jan 1 2002, 11:40 pm
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From: "Jay" <jay.bellNOS@btinternet.com> -
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:39:03 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2002 11:39 pm
Subject: name that game
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ok a game for a atari 8 bit - can't remember very much about it, but it was
a kind of fly around thing, with a simple green/blue sky/ground thing, and
wireframe graphics for buildings. can't remember what the object of the game
was either!

any help would be appreciated!

tia
jay.b


 

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