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Date: 2002-10 atari800xl.org comp.sys.atari.8bit
Opinions requested  
 
1.  Slor  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 12:04 am
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From: "Slor" <s@comcast.net> -
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:04:23 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 12:04 am
Subject: Opinions requested
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I'm starting to use my Atari 800xl again after a number of years (including
xl emulation), and I'd like to know what are considered the premier DOS,
BASIC, and assembler programs that are floating around out there these days.
From what I can tell, there are a number of each, so I'd appreciate opinions
on what to start with.

Thanks
James


 
 
2.  richard cortese  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 1:42 am
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From: "richard cortese" <ricor@earthlink.net> -
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:42:12 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 1:42 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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"Slor" <s@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> I'm starting to use my Atari 800xl again after a number of years
(including
> xl emulation), and I'd like to know what are considered the premier DOS,

There are two that are popular, MyDOS and Sparta DOS. Both are available
freeware/shareware. MyDOS has a menu system like Atari DOS II while Sparta
DOS uses a command line or loads an unfamiliar menu system from disk.
> BASIC, and assembler programs that are floating around out there these

days.

Many consider OSS languages to be the best, but they are not readily
available and if you do find them, they are quite expensive.

Turbo Basic is quite good. From a speed and ease of use standpoint many
prefer it.

Personally I prefer not to run either. If I am<was> programming in BASIC I
would just use built in BASIC and write assembly language subroutines to get
the program speed up. It is a lowest common demoninator type thing.

For an assembler the disk based version of MAC/65 is included in the Sparta
DOS distribution. You will probably never need a better assembler then
MAC/65. It is a matter of tastes since I have run into people that prefer
the Atari Macro Assembler and John Harris wrote MAE to facilitate
development with a 65816 machine he was coding for. At one time I even used
TASM cross assembler from Speech Technology over anything on an Atari. Even
on a '286 the speed and 80 column screen was so much better then an Atari
that it made a viable development system. I think TASM is considered
obsolete now with all the Windows based cross assemblers out.


 
 
3.  Dean Garraghty  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 6:45 am
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:42:14 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 6:42 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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The QUICK programming language, available from me either on disk, or on our
CD, is considered to be good. For info,
please visit

Dean Garraghty

"Slor" <s@comcast.net> wrote in message

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4.  Slor  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 7:48 am
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:48:15 -0500
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Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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As a followup, are there any Atari-native C compilers?

Thanks again.

"Slor" <s@comcast.net> wrote in message

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5.  William Kendrick  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 10:05 am
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From: b@newbreedsoftware.com (William Kendrick) -
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:01:03 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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Slor <s@comcast.net> wrote:
> As a followup, are there any Atari-native C compilers?

Deep Blue C compiler.
ACE C compiler (based on DBC).
CC8 (based on DBC and ACE).
CC65.

Those are what I found on XL Search, at least. :^)

I believe the first three create some kind of bytecode that needs a runtime.

I never got into C on the Atari, though.  I always stuck to Action! :^/

Good luck!

-bill!


 
 
6.  Shawn Jefferson  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 10:28 am
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From: atari@DELETETHIS.telusDOTnet (Shawn Jefferson) -
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:28:58 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 10:28 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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"Slor" <s@comcast.net>:

>As a followup, are there any Atari-native C compilers?

If you are interested in programming in C for the Atari, I think your best
bet is to use a cross-compiler like cc65 () so you can take
advantage of the speed of the PC for development.  Combined with
Atari800win+ you can code applications pretty quickly.

I think that there is an older, native version of cc65 that runs on the
atari but I don't believe that it is being actively supported anymore...
never tried to use it.

If you are interested in C for the atari check out cc65!  It's great and
being actively supported and developed!

---
Shawn Jefferson (atariguy(at)telus(dot)net)


 
 
7.  Daniel Miller  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 7:06 pm
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 06:07:57 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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I like BeWe DOS, which is a command line DOS along the lines of Sparta DOS
except it will also run on an Atari 800. So, it is more of a "Sparta DOS Lite."
I would have to say that BASIC XL is considered the premiere BASIC. You can also
find some freely distributable BASICs on the Internet. I think I recall that
Frost BASIC was a good one. Don't know anything about assembler programs, except
that the official Atari Assembler Editor package is not very good or user
friendly..


 
 
8.  Freddy Offenga  
 More options Oct 1 2002, 8:19 pm
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From: "Freddy Offenga" <taf.offe@chello.nl> -
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:19:05 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 1 2002 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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Yes, BW-DOS is a "SpartaDOS Lite", but also a SpartaDOS "without the bugs".
:-)

As for BASIC, I would go for Turbo-BASIC.

Freddy.

"Daniel Miller" <dac@netscape.net> wrote in message

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9.  Fox-1  
 More options Oct 2 2002, 5:55 am
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0200
Local: Wed, Oct 2 2002 5:53 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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"Freddy Offenga" wrote

> Yes, BW-DOS is a "SpartaDOS Lite", but also a SpartaDOS "without the bugs".
> :-)

But BeWe-Dos is also a DOS which does only support up to 4 diskdrives/partitions at once (plus a ramdisk)

b.t.w, I think there isn't any serious bug in the 3.3 versions of Sparta-Dos...

--

Grtx, Sysop Fox-1 / MNX                    

                  Remember what the Dormouse said...


 
 
10.  Freddy Offenga  
 More options Oct 2 2002, 6:43 am
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From: "Freddy Offenga" <taf.offe@chello.nl> -
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:43:40 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 2 2002 6:43 am
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
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During the development of BW-DOS, the author (Jiri) found several bugs in
SpartaDOS. In fact he told me these bugs are so serious, that even he didn't
want to use SpartaDOS anymore. It could be that SpartaDOS X doesn't have the
serious problems, but at least the disk versions are not ok.

Freddy.

"Fox-1" <MailMe@f@home.nl> wrote in message

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> "Freddy Offenga" wrote

> > Yes, BW-DOS is a "SpartaDOS Lite", but also a SpartaDOS "without the
bugs".
> > :-)

> But BeWe-Dos is also a DOS which does only support up to 4

diskdrives/partitions at once (plus a ramdisk)


 

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