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Date: 2002-12 atari800xl.org comp.sys.atari.8bit
OT : Are there any people here who  
 
1.  Paul Gifford  
 More options Dec 1 2002, 12:00 am
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From: "Paul Gifford" <gif@comcast.net> -
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:00:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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I suppose sitting in front of the computer all the time could give one the
large belly...

"Paul Irvine" <mclane.dellosYOURFIN@btinternet.com> wrote in message

...

 


 
 
2.  Son of man  
 More options Dec 1 2002, 12:10 am
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:10:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Paul Gifford" <gif@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> I suppose sitting in front of the computer all the time could give one the
> large belly...

:)  Actually Paul the historical Buddha of India 500 BC isn't the fat
laughing buddha that you see depicted by the chinese which is really the God
of luck, you rub his belly and make a wish. The historical Buddha was an
ascetic who lived in caves and wandered around, depending on alms for
sustenance. They typical portrayal of the Buddha who is known as Shakyamuni
has him with a begging bowl in his hands and he has a slender figure, not
pot bellied :)


 
 
3.  Son of man  
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From: "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> -
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:02:53 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Paul Irvine" <mclane.dellosYOURFIN@btinternet.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:41:14 -0500, "Son of man"
> <bcoz@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> >Have been buddhists or have learned anything about buddhism? Atari 800
was
> >my first computer, I'm just taking an unofficial poll... your help
> >appreciated.

> I owned from the 400 up through all the UK released models but none of
> them turned me into a Buddhist...

> Also in my experience as tech sales for them I can't say any of our
> 1000's of customers were ever converted. Was any one machine more
> prone to causing this phenomenon?

Hahahahahaha! No, I just felt that the Atarians I might meet here are pretty
logical people especially since most mayhave dabbled in programming, and if
among you there are those who have some knowledge of both Buddhism and
Christianity, I wanted to get some feedback on what I found in my own
research. It's in the reply thread to Greg Menke. It's specifically meant
for those who've had more than a passing interest in both buddhism and
christianity. I wouldn't expect it to have much meaning to a Muslim or Jew,
it could also appeal to a hindu I guess.


 
 
4.  Son of man  
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From: "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> -
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:13:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message

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I think I misunderstood your question now that I've re-read it :) I only
just started taking the data.

 
 
5.  Greg Menke  
 More options Dec 1 2002, 2:16 am
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Date: 30 Nov 2002 12:05:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> writes:

> "Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> writes:

> > Since you are taking data, what have you found so far?

> > Gregm

> I think I misunderstood your question now that I've re-read it :) I only
> just started taking the data.

You did misunderstand.  Thank you for clarifying that.

Gregm


 
 
6.  Son of man  
 More options Dec 3 2002, 4:26 am
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From: "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> -
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:26:17 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> writes:
> > "Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> writes:

> > > Since you are taking data, what have you found so far?

> > > Gregm

> > I think I misunderstood your question now that I've re-read it :) I only
> > just started taking the data.

> You did misunderstand.  Thank you for clarifying that.

Let me know if it made any sense to you, my email should be in the header.


 
 
7.  Greg Menke  
 More options Dec 3 2002, 2:40 pm
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From: Greg Menke <gregm-n@toadmail.com> -
Date: 03 Dec 2002 00:40:29 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> writes:

> "Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message

> Let me know if it made any sense to you, my email should be in the header.

I pasted your text in, formatted as followup to make commenting
easier.

So what?  If you're a deity seeking incorporation in this world,
you're pretty much stuck with flesh no matter what your doctrine is.

> God :

> The Buddha never did claim to be God, but he refered to himself often as the
> Blessed One. It's interesting to note how on several occasions when Jesus
> was asked if he is the Son of God he responds, "You say that I am" but when
> asked if he is the Son of the Blessed, he responds directly "I am."  But
> even more suprising is that there seems to be a definite pattern which may
> have been conspired by the gospel authors to show that Jesus favors being
> called "Son of the Blessed" rather than "Son of God."  It is the same event
> told by Matthew and Mark.

Blessed One is an English translation of the original wording.  I
suggest that you should compare that to the original
greek/hebrew/whatever the original Christian documentation was written
with in order to evaluate the relationship.  I have a couple
translations of various parts of the Lotus Sutra, and between the two
of them, Shakyamuni ends up with approximately a gazillion different
names, and thats before they start naming all the other subordinate
Buddhas.  Its almost enough to make one start assigning acronyms.

I don't see a pattern.  I see different answers to different people in
different circumstances.  Perhaps the editors of the various documents
that form the Bible could suggest some better reasons.

> So do you see how Jesus being "in the hands of the Father" which is like a
> boundless sea relates to him saying out of his belly shall flow rivers of
> living water? And by that he meant the Holy Ghost of the Father which was
> not yet given, because he had not yet been "glorified" in the unbound
> Father.

No I do not.  Finding passages that refer to sons and passages that
refer to fathers in the two documents, then on the basis of which
mentions the other, to infer that Buddha is Jesus's father- and in
fact, God, is in my opinion, presumptive.

> The Spirit of Christ is one with the Father's boundless parinirvana.

> Someone asked me why do they appear to say such different things? For one
> thing, Jesus purposefully tried to mask the fact that the Buddha was his
> Father or else no one would have followed him, especially the Jews who had
> their own ideas about God and the Sabbath and circumcision of which the
> Buddha did not place any importance, and the Jews being his primary
> audience. Jesus also said :

I would think its because they are two very different religions,
formed in vastly different cultures at very different times.

> 2000 years ago it was important that the Father, the Buddha, remain
> anonymous or no one would have paid Jesus any attention if they only knew he
> was just a disciple of a mere mortal man.

How do you know this?

> But they did teach many things in common. There's a book available "Jesus
> and Buddha : The parallel sayings" which covers many of them.

> Also, here's just an example of what I found as a parallel :

These kinds of books are interesting.  I happened upon one that put
Buddhist doctrine in Christian language and vice versa, I should have
bought it...

> I also discovered some interesting coincidences, and you know what they say,
> there's a fine line between fate and coincidence.

Coincidences are everywhere, but they don't always mean something.

> I believe the name of the Father is Siddhartha Gotama.

Whatever floats your boat.  Just keep your garden plowed.

> The fact that only so few know the name of the Father of Jesus lends
> credibility to it being Siddhartha Gotama, because most Buddhists don't
> believe the Buddha is the Father Jesus refers to, and most Christians don't
> believe the Buddha is the Spirit Father of Jesus also. I won't bother

Just because something isn't widely known (for some value of known),
doesn't make it any more or less true than some other more widely
circulated assertion.

I don't think superficially relating figurative senses of "father"
will achieve much.  For one thing, your base documents are the modern,
accepted versions of documents that have been retranslated, edited,
revised and tweaked for thousands of years.  For you to understand
what Jesus meant by Father with enough precision to relate it to what
the Buddha meant will require far more exhaustive research.  You
yourself suggested that the editors and translators of Christian
doctrine might be imposing their opinions (sometimes unavoidably,
other times not), and I imagine similar things could well be the case
in Buddhist text.

I see a lot of parallels between your reasoning and that illustrated
in its extremity in Foucalt's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.  Its a great
book IMHO.

Gregm


 
 
8.  Son of man  
 More options Dec 4 2002, 12:36 am
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From: "Son of man" <bcoz@bellsouth.net> -
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:37:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: OT : Are there any people here who
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"Greg Menke" <gregm-n@toadmail.com> wrote in message

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Different strokes for different folks. I've received comments that ranged
from "It makes perfect sense."  and "rarely have I been fascinated -- Ben
Stein, who is a Jew and likes the Buddha"  to comments similar to yours.  I
can only guess there are real factors in our lives which predispose us to
think one way over another.  One of the most surprising things I ever heard
Jesus say was this :

John:6:44: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw
him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


 
Disk drive repair  
 
1.  Ron Hamilton  
 More options Dec 1 2002, 3:08 am
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Subject: Re: Disk drive repair
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.. and remember that the Indus power supply is *NOT* the same as the
standard Atari brick!

--
Ron


and mirror


 
 
2.  Paul Alhart  
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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 00:52:36 GMT
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> Anyone know of a company that still repairs old Indus drives?  I turned

mine

Remember the Indus used a 9VDC power supply. Do not use an Atari 9VAC supply
or you will get smoke.
Paul      (Alhart Enterprises Presents)


 

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